The YOU Season 4 body count has increased by one—and this time, the blood was definitely on Joe’s hands.
Joe didn’t kill Malcolm or Simon, but he was responsible for taking out Vic, Phoebe’s security guard, who was trailing him the whole time while he was stalking, er, protecting Kate.
Joe has been pulled deeper into this mystery—against his will—as the stalker using the Evanesce app knows his true identity and wants him (read: his dark side) to “come out and play.”
Joe’s fighting it at every turn, and to be quite honest, I don’t think it’s an act—I don’t think he wants to kill or go down this path again, and the fact that he has to is incredibly frustrating to him because it’s getting in the way of his European holiday.
All of sudden, the quiet life that he’s crafted for himself is slipping away from him and he has no control over it, nor can he stop it.
He’s powerless, and that’s not a feeling he likes. However, Joe is used to cleaning up messes, so he does what needs to be done.
Joe’s shock and disgust when the killer suggests that he gets a thrill from murdering are slightly comical considering all the people he’s killed. If someone didn’t enjoy it on some level, they just wouldn’t do it.
Joe, however, has never taken responsibility for the deaths, nor has he carried the burden as he chalks it up to necessity–he needed to kill those people to survive. It was kill or be killed, so in his mind, he had no other choice. Normal people would know that there’s always a choice, but for Joe, normal means doing whatever in the name of self-preservation.
So when he killed Vic, he also believed that there was no way to solve this situation. You’d think a writer could find a way to use his words to blackmail or do literally anything else—we’ve seen him choose not to kill by sparing Marienne even though letting her live could pose a threat to him, so we know he’s capable of finding another solution— but Joe chooses a more permanent silence because it’s easier. And the decision means he’s now leaving behind a trail of bodies, all leading back to him, even if he didn’t necessarily kill Malcolm. By disposing of the body, he’s at least half responsible.
Joe’s decision to bury Vic’s body with Simon’s was rather questionable. On one hand, no sane person is going to dig up a fresh grave to go looking for a missing person, but on the other hand, Simon was a known artist—and his death at the hands of the “eat the rich killer,” was a high profile news story, so wouldn’t there be eyes all over? Fans, fanatics, supporters, haters, literally anyone. It seemed like a strange choice on Joe’s behalf.
If Vic’s detective work taught us, and Joe, anything, it’s that he has to be very careful. Vic was able to pin him down rather quickly, even without knowing his full identity. It shows that Joe is at a huge disadvantage as the new guy, which also makes him the perfect scapegoat.
It’s even more dangerous because the mystery stalker knows most of Joe’s secrets. The killer is in the perfect position to frame Joe if need be, while Joe still has absolutely nothing to go off of—he can’t seem to get the upper hand.
Eventually, he regroups and restrategizes. After struggling to pinpoint which one of the elitist groupies has what it takes, he goes in for another approach by giving the stalker exactly what they want: Joe Goldberg.
He’s been trying to bury Joe this whole time, but it’s been the secret to bonding with the killer, who seemingly wants to convince Joe of his own Joe-ness so that they can be the kindred spirits he/she has envisioned them to be. When Joe sees an opportunity to form this bond, he takes it, and after some possible hesitation, the killer takes the bait as well.
This is the most unsure we’ve ever seen Joe, as he’s caught playing a game that may just be a total setup. There’s no guarantee that he’s doing the right thing, and by agreeing to meet publicly next time, Joe might just be outing himself.
Frankly, it would be more exciting if it was a trap because how the hell would Joe navigate that?
I’m not shocked that Joe is having such a hard time cracking this case, because I don’t have a good list of suspects either. The reveal has equally as shocking as the “Love isn’t a carefree California bakery but rather a psycho murderer and Joe’s equal” twist. The series, while reinventing itself, has to also one-up itself in the process, keeping audiences on their toes and guessing up until the last moment.
Right now, I’m not seeing any viable suspects aside from Rhys, which seems a little boring. Rhys meets the criteria and checks off the boxes, plus he seems to think that he and Joe are very alike, especially in the group setting. They both come from damaged backgrounds rather than wealthy upbringings, so it would make sense that he’s seeking out the rich.
But again, it wouldn’t be a shocking development.
There was a lot of progress in Joe’s relationship with Kate as he felt this unwavering desire to protect her from the killer. She’s not a damsel in distress, or like any of the other women he’s ever expressed interest in, so it’s been nice to see this unfold. I can’t exactly figure out if he’s romantically interested in her as he’s not obsessing in the way that we’ve seen Joe obsess about countless other women. Despite their rendezvous, he definitely seems more interested in making sure she’s safe and okay rather than pursuing a relationship.
Kate’s deep hatred of Joe was slightly strange at first, but it began to make sense when she opened up about being taught not to show emotions as a child. The backstory humanized her and explained her cold demeanor, while also providing a brief moment for her and Joe to connect and see eye-to-eye. I’m crossing her off of my list of suspects.
It’s unclear where this mystery will go from here as anything is possible, and everyone is capable.
We also can’t forget about Marienne, the reason Joe is even in Europe to begin with. She’s taken a bit of a backseat in his mind for the time being as he deals with more pressing matters, but she can’t be ruled out as a suspect as she has the motive to destroy him.
The final scene of the episode finds Joe/Jonathan standing in front of the elite group as the police as him to chat. It doesn’t seem promising for him at all, but it could go one of two ways.
I personally wouldn’t break a sweat just yet. While it sure seemed like they all turned on him from the way they were just staring him down, I do think that it’s just a red herring and the police simply have follow-up questions or want to make sure that everyone’s stories match up.
Then again, as I mentioned before, Joe’s the new guy, so no one has any loyalty to him. Most of the people, aside from Phoebe, don’t even like him, so it would be so easy to make him the scapegoat, especially if they need to protect one of their own.
One thing I know for certain—I really hope that Nadia makes it out alive. For now, she’s truly the sweetest and smartest soul…even if she was sleeping with Malcolm.
What do you think? Do you have any theories?
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Will There Be a 5th Season of ‘YOU’?
As YOU wrapped up its fourth season run on March 9, fans couldn’t help but wonder whether a fifth season was in the works.
The good news is that on March 24, Netflix announced that YOU Season 5 is happening.
Unfortunately, the fifth season will also mark the drama’s final season. No premiere date has been announced, but new episodes are expected to arrive in 2024.
Brace yourself for Joe Goldberg's final chapter.
You will return for a fifth and final season in 2024! pic.twitter.com/rbQBOnQPSJ
— Netflix (@netflix) March 24, 2023
The fourth season of the Lifetime-turned-Netflix thriller basically hit reset, throwing audiences for a loop with a murder mystery format surrounding Joe’s new life in London as Professor Jonathan Moore.
The action really ramped up in the second half of the season as Joe’s lies and secrets began to unravel and catch up to him, threatening his “European getaway” and any shot at happiness.
It’s actually quite amazing what the writers have been able to accomplish. They’ve managed to keep Joe’s character consistent yet provide several unique seasons that continue to keep audiences in suspense and shock with numerous well-executed twists.
And it definitely seems that there’s much more where that came from in terms of a fifth season, which will now gear up to wrap up the storyline, provide closure (will we see Dr. Nicky and Ellie make a return?) and hopefully, serve justice where justice is due.
Spoilers below—stop reading if you’re not caught up on the most recent season of YOU!!
By the end of season 4, Joe managed to come out on top, eliminating Nadia by forcing her to take the fall for Rhys Montrose and Edward’s deaths. He thought his Marienne problem was taken care of when he carried her lifeless body to a park bench, but little did Joe know, she was actually alive. He fell for the elaborate and insane escape plan that she concocted with Nadia.
And after a failed suicide attempt, Joe managed to silence the voices outside of his head, personified by the hallucination of Rhys, embraced his darkness, and found a kindred spirit—sort of—in Kate, who he believes is the love of his life.
The two promised that they’d keep each other on the straight and narrow, though for Joe, that meant simply accepting his desires to kill as normal. And with Kate’s protections in place, he’ll be able to continue on as Joe doing what Joe does.
And thus, Joe is more powerful and dangerous than ever. It would be a shame if the streamer didn’t let writers, and audiences, explore this new side of Joe—the one that’s completely content with himself and no longer running from the darker parts.
There are so many unanswered questions that benefit from another season. Can he really be the man Kate wants him to be? Will he be content with Kate and tame his obsessive nature? Can he cover up additional murders? Does having Kate on his side make it easier or will she eventually begin to pry and wonder? What if he can’t control his temper? Will Kate end up in a glass cage just like the rest of them eventually?
Then there’s Marienne, who is a loose thread since she’s alive and well. I don’t think she’d actively risk her safety to take down Joe, but she does owe Nadia, who risked everything and went out of her way to help free Marienne, only to get caught in the crosshairs herself.
There’s a lot of story left to tell when it comes to Joe Goldberg’s new lease on life, and while I’m not exactly sure how much more audiences can stomach or how much more blood needs to be spilled, Netflix clearly knows it has a duty to the people to end this series the right way—with Joe hopefully meeting his match and dying an excruciatingly painful death just like all of his victims.
That didn’t happen on YOU Season 4 as he once again got away with murder, so it just means that we’re hoping to see it on YOU Season 5.
You can check out all of our YOU coverage in the meantime!
Who Is Rhys Montrose on ‘YOU’ Season 4?
YOU Season 4 introduced a plethora of new characters as it revamped the series with a murder mystery format.
*Warning – stop reading if you haven’t finished YOU Season 4 – Spoilers Ahead *
The shakeup made sense considering Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley) uprooted his life following the fiery events in Madre Linda that killed Love Quinn and started over in London, assuming the identity of Professor Jonathan Moore.
Rather quickly, he got pulled into an elite group thanks to his co-worker and neighbor, Malcolm Harding (Stephen Hagan), who was the season’s first victim. Joe/Jonathan naturally despised Malcolm’s group, though he did find Rhys Montrose (Ed Speleers), an author running for Mayor of London, to be a bit of a kindred spirit. They came from the same broken background and shared many of the same views.
As the first half of the season unraveled, Joe sought out advice from Rhys on a handful of occasions, engaging in plenty of long heart-to-hearts with him, so it was kind of shocking when it was revealed that Rhys, as audiences have come to know him, was never real.
Rhys Montrose existed, yes, but he was never friends with Joe, nor was he the Eat the Rich Killer. The version of Rhys that Joe bonded with was a hallucination conjured up by his subconscious to protect himself and eliminate his darker, more deranged thoughts.
For much of the season, we saw Joe desperately trying to set himself free from Rhys’ grasp. At first, he saw him as public enemy #1, who somehow figured out Joe’s real identity and roped him into a murder spree by threatening to frame him for the deaths if Joe refused to participate.
However, once Joe realized that Rhys was a figment of his imagination, he began to look for ways to silence the evil little voice forever, while also trying to figure out a plan to cover up the death of the real Rhys Montrose.
Joe was tasked with killing the mayoral candidate, who he assumed at the time was the Eat the Rich Killer, by Kate’s (Charlotte Ritchie) father, Tom Lockwood. When he arrived at Rhys’ secret countryside hideout and tied him up, he was infuriated that Rhys claimed not to know who he was, nor would he admit to kidnapping Marienne (Tati Gabrielle). Eventually, Joe’s rage and anger took over, and he “accidentally” killed Rhys, which is when fake Rhys showed up and revealed that Joe was having a semi-psychotic break.
In the end, Joe’s suicide attempt ensured that his hallucinations were forever gone, though he did embrace the darkness he was trying so hard to snuff out, making him more dangerous than ever.
As for the real Rhys Montrose’s killer, he pinned it all on poor Nadia (Amy-Leigh Hickman), a fan of Rhys’s from the beginning, who flew too close to the sun in her attempts to bring down Joe Goldberg. If only she just listened to Marienne’s advice.
A huge congrats to the YOU team for pulling off yet another jaw-dropping twist, and to both Badgley and Speleers for completely immersing themselves in their dual characters.
YOU Season Finale Review – The Death of Jonathan Moore (410)
It all comes up Joe Goldberg…. yet again. But are we even surprised at this point?
How is it that men like Joe continue to find ways to get away with murder? And not only did he get away with it—he flourished. Joe is untouchable now, and that kind of power and protection in the hands of a soulless monster is more dangerous than anything we’ve ever seen before.
Joe went through plenty of emotions during YOU Season 4 Episode 10, and honestly, part of me wishes that when he jumped into the water, convinced that the only way to break the cycle is to kill himself, he succeeded. There’s no other way to stop someone like Joe—and that became clear to everyone around him, including himself. The devil on his shoulder, personified by Rhys, kept trying to convince Joe that he wasn’t the problem, but when he found Marienne lifeless in the glass cage because of what he’d done to her, he realized that there was no reality in which he could protect the women he loved. Eventually, a woman’s body was going to end up in his trunk.
It was actually big of Joe to come to the realization considering his constant desire for self-preservation. He was ready to do the one thing that was necessary to make the world a better place… and then he got a second chance. From a writing perspective, it makes sense. If there’s no Joe, there’s no YOU. And while the series has become pretty far-fetched and wholly unbelievable, I’m watching to see how far the creative forces—and Joe—can take this thing. I’m on board till the very end. How many twists can they conjure up that will leave audiences in a state of sheer shock?
Despite Joe’s problematic actions and behaviors, audiences still found themselves continuing to root for the antihero (thanks a lot, Taylor Swift) simply to see how far Joe can actually go.
The Love Quinn twist was undoubtedly the best one, but season 4, though not as enjoyable, did redeem itself in the second half with some unexpected bombshell reveals that made my head spin. We, and Joe, know he’s the problem, but I never imagined that Kate would turn out to be so problematic—she’s an enabler, turning a blind eye to Joe’s crimes because of her need for love and her desire for power.
She made a pact with Joe that they would keep each other on the right path and accountable, but I don’t think she realized she was making a literal deal with the devil. And this coming from the woman who thought her dad was bad. She flat-out said she likes broken and tortured souls, and her willing alliance with Joe proves it.
Joe went from a suicidal murderer to a hero in the eyes of the public in a matter of minutes, and with Kate by his side, they became a power couple. While it’s absolutely cringeworthy, it presents so many opportunities for coming seasons.
For starters, how much does Kate really know? How much did Joe confide in her?
Surely, she can put two and two together and figure out that her father was murdered right before her boyfriend confessed to being a murderer, right? And when he later framed Nadia for Edward’s death, faking the DNA results found on Rhys’ body which linked back to him, did she know she was framing an innocent girl? Or is she just that naive and desperate to believe that this relationship is what she wants it to be?
What’s even viler is that Joe came out to the public claiming to be a victim when he killed so many innocent women because of his obsessive tendencies. And what’s to say he won’t do it the same to Kate eventually? Though honestly, that’s on her at this point.
Following his failed suicide attempt, there was a turning point for Joe. He didn’t kill himself, but he killed Rhys, or rather, embraced himself fully—he’s no longer hiding and running from those dark parts, nor is he actively trying not to murder people.
Since the first season, we learned that Joe has always wanted acceptance—to love and to be loved—and he got that wholeheartedly with and from Kate. He opened up to her, divulged his deepest darkest secrets, and it brought them closer together, thus making him feel as though he wasn’t a bad person for his desire to murder. He fought so hard against them, but unfortunately, the inner battle was for nothing as, in the end, he’s just accepting and coming to terms with the fact that he is a murderer. And as mentioned before, and briefly seen in action, with Kate’s protections in place, it’s going to be a hell of a lot easier to get away with his crimes.
In what’s seemingly a full-circle moment this season, Joe shot up the ranks and became one of the elites that he so passionately despised.
However, that’s not even the most shocking part of the episode.
First off is the fact that Marienne is very much alive as she and Nadia somehow managed to pull one over on Joe. That’s a first… and likely a last.
Marienne was lucky in the sense that Joe cared about her deeply, so when he saw that she overdosed on pills, he was so distraught and immediately assumed the worst. His brain wouldn’t even let him consider another possible as the guilt washed over him.
While he was definitely onto Nadia in the end, I don’t think he ever pieced it together that Nadia helped Marienne devise an insane escape plane. The two of the pulled it off after realizing that if they can’t kill Joe, they have to kill Marienne. When Joe found her unconscious, she swallowed enough beta-blockers to slow her heart rate down and make it look convincing. And then once Joe moved her body to a park bench, Nadia ran up and gave her a dose of what I’m assuming was adrenaline to wake her up.
The moral of the story is that Marienne may be one of the few women to have escaped Joe! Though, I have no idea why she didn’t move far away with her daughter once she was finally free. What if Joe decided to check in on Juliette randomly and saw Marienne, realizing that she is, somehow, alive and well? Why risk it now?
Marienne and Nadia’s bond was so strong, I’m hoping that Marienne returns the favor and attempts to help Nadia in some way now that the poor girl fell victim to Joe, who forced her to take the fall for Edward’s death and Rhys’ demise.
The truth is, Nadia should’ve stopped while she was ahead because, as she said herself, Joe was an obsessive. It’s not entirely clear how he caught onto her—though she was super jumpy around him toward the end—though I’d guess it probably had something to do with the secret camera he placed in his apartment. Or maybe she just misplaced a few items which alerted him to an intruder.
Either way, Nadia’s caring nature got the best of her as she’s now spending life in prison. And there’s nothing she can say to plead her case as no one is going to believe a word she says about Joe, especially after he planted evidence—damning proof—in her apartment and became an international hero.
No matter what, Joe always finds a way to nab a clean slate.
He lives to see another day—but who will be his next victim?
We briefly touched upon what happened to Phoebe, and it turns out Adam’s death may have been the best thing for her as she moved away to teach and lived a fulfilled life. We don’t know what happened to Roald, and I’m kind of disappointed he didn’t play a larger role in the second half of the season considering the hell he created for Joe in the first half.
Did you enjoy YOU Season 4? Did you like the revamped vibe? Are you happy that we’ll see more of Joe’s shenanigans in the future or do you think the series should just end? Do you think we will see Nadia and Marienne again in the future? And are you more or less excited about the future now that he has Kate as a sidekick?
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