There he is—there’s the Joe we know.
Throughout much of YOU Season 4, Joe fought hard to bury that part of himself, but life just kept pushing him to do bad things. You can never really shake your past, and despite Joe’s best efforts to shed Joe Goldberg and embrace Jonathan Moore, the people who could leverage his true identity uncovered it rather quickly and didn’t hesitate to hold it over him.
It wasn’t just Rhys either as Kate’s father, who has been referred to on multiple occasions as the devil, was also responsible for forcing Joe’s hand. There’s something about a villain being a “regular Joe”—no pun intended—that’s super chilling. Tom Lockwood was as personable and chipper as the next guy—so you’d never think he’d commit the darkest of crimes in the name of personal profit. In a way, he and Joe were very similar; they both did terrible things and hid in plain sight, though only one of them had a pile of money as security.
Rhys being the murderer may not have been a huge twist this season—let’s be honest, we all saw it coming—but Tom knowing Joe’s real identity definitely was. And the way he was so nonchalant about Joe, a murderer, dating his daughter, was next-level. These people are all unhinged. How is it that Joe would fall into a group of people just like him so casually after moving to another country?
Then again, it shouldn’t be all that surprising that a well-connected billionaire would do his homework on Joe and have the means to uncover the truth that no one else did.
For a bit, I thought that maybe Rhys told Tom the truth about Joe to force the latter to kill him, but Tom was one step ahead the whole time.
And in true villain fashion, he asked Joe to take care of Rhys as part of some greater plan he had, even giving up Rhys’ secret hideout location once he attacked his public persona in a dirty political campaign.
But here’s where things get a bit hazy—Joe went to the countryside home and killed Rhys… or the man he thought was Rhys. If Tom knew where Rhys was hiding out, why wouldn’t he warn Joe that Rhys has a twin? Unless they’re in cahoots to take down Joe?
The twin trope is pretty exhausted at this point, and honestly, I’m not a huge fan of it because it definitely seems like the easy way out, which is upsetting for a show as crafty as YOU. I also don’t believe that Joe would ever fall for it. He may be desperate and distracted by his love for Kate, but it was very obvious that “Rhys” had no idea who he was. No one else was in the home, so why would he have to pretend not to know Joe? Rhys has never behaved in that way when he was alone with Joe, so Joe should’ve been able to see right through it. It’s also frustrating that Rhys’ twin never once said “hey, I’m not Rhys,” which could’ve spared his life.
Joe full-on snapped—and a glimmer of old Joe was there, in front of us, bringing a rather timid season back to life.
Even better was Joe’s realization of what he’d done–what he was forced to do. There’s zero accountability with that man.
What does this mean for the future?
Will Joe simply accept his fate and team up with Rhys? Rhys now holds the upper hand fully, which definitely doesn’t work in Joe’s favor.
The trailer for the second half of the season teased the return of Love Quinn, as part of Joe’s hallucinations or memory, so maybe this incident causes him to snap and unleashes his true/old self.
Or will he turn to Kate’s father to help him get out of this pickle? There are plenty of ways this can pan out, but none of them are good for Joe. And honestly, maybe that’s for the best. Joe needs to get his comeuppance—he’s been skirting the fallout from his crimes for far too long, but it seems that they may finally be catching up to him. He thought he stumbled upon a group of airheaded elites, but this is the most he’s ever been challenged and the closest he’s ever been to getting caught with multiple people figuring out his real identity, or, at the very least, picking up on his shady ways, including Nadia. The first half of the season wasn’t very clear on the role she’d play, but after this episode, color me intrigued.
Nadia couldn’t help but shake the feeling that Joe knew more than he was letting on, even going as far as identifying him as the murderer. She, of course, needed proof of it, and when Joe dismissed her questions about her novel, even lying about a chapter that didn’t exist, it seemed to prove her theories enough for her to pursue the case further.
It’s honestly comical that Joe first identified her as his best and brightest student and then thought he could get rid of her so easily. He’s obviously preoccupied and distracted, but the old Joe would’ve dotted all his T’s and crossed all his I’s.
So, while Joe was off trying to make Rhys pay for taking Marienne hostage—Nadia snuck into his apartment, found a hidden key, and ended up retracing his steps all the way to a sketchy neighborhood where she found an abandoned and closed-off building (Kate previously pointed it out and referred to it as a “bomb shelter”). She figured the best course of action was to go into said building all on her own (Nadia, my anxiety!), using the key she found in his apartment, stumbling upon a locked-up Marienne in a recreated glass cage.
Since Joe seemingly didn’t know Marienne was kidnapped until Rhys informed him, it definitely seems like this is the future Mayor’s work. Is he trying to live up to Joe’s glory days and hurt him using his own playbook? How does he know so many details about Joe’s private and past life?
And it begs the question—how did the key get into Joe’s apartment? Did Rhys plant the key hoping someone would find it or that it would one day make him look guilty? Did he think he could use it to frame Joe if he stepped out of line? He’s had access to Joe’s apartment so the possibility has definitely come up!
Joe can always defend himself by telling Nadia he’s being framed, but obviously, Marienne knows the truth about Joe, so if she and Nadia get to talking, it won’t end well for anyone. The only solution I see, if I’m thinking like Joe, is that both of the women are a liability at this point. Regardless of what his feelings were for Marienne once upon a time, she knows too much. Will he kill them both once Rhys finally gives up her location?
Or will Nadia manage to free Marienne without getting caught? For once, I just want someone to come out of this unscathed.
We’re inching toward the end of the season and finally, things are getting really interesting and surprising.
Who Is Rhys Montrose on ‘YOU’ Season 4?
YOU Season 4 introduced a plethora of new characters as it revamped the series with a murder mystery format.
*Warning – stop reading if you haven’t finished YOU Season 4 – Spoilers Ahead *
The shakeup made sense considering Joe Goldberg (Penn Badgley) uprooted his life following the fiery events in Madre Linda that killed Love Quinn and started over in London, assuming the identity of Professor Jonathan Moore.
Rather quickly, he got pulled into an elite group thanks to his co-worker and neighbor, Malcolm Harding (Stephen Hagan), who was the season’s first victim. Joe/Jonathan naturally despised Malcolm’s group, though he did find Rhys Montrose (Ed Speleers), an author running for Mayor of London, to be a bit of a kindred spirit. They came from the same broken background and shared many of the same views.
As the first half of the season unraveled, Joe sought out advice from Rhys on a handful of occasions, engaging in plenty of long heart-to-hearts with him, so it was kind of shocking when it was revealed that Rhys, as audiences have come to know him, was never real.
Rhys Montrose existed, yes, but he was never friends with Joe, nor was he the Eat the Rich Killer. The version of Rhys that Joe bonded with was a hallucination conjured up by his subconscious to protect himself and eliminate his darker, more deranged thoughts.
For much of the season, we saw Joe desperately trying to set himself free from Rhys’ grasp. At first, he saw him as public enemy #1, who somehow figured out Joe’s real identity and roped him into a murder spree by threatening to frame him for the deaths if Joe refused to participate.
However, once Joe realized that Rhys was a figment of his imagination, he began to look for ways to silence the evil little voice forever, while also trying to figure out a plan to cover up the death of the real Rhys Montrose.
Joe was tasked with killing the mayoral candidate, who he assumed at the time was the Eat the Rich Killer, by Kate’s (Charlotte Ritchie) father, Tom Lockwood. When he arrived at Rhys’ secret countryside hideout and tied him up, he was infuriated that Rhys claimed not to know who he was, nor would he admit to kidnapping Marienne (Tati Gabrielle). Eventually, Joe’s rage and anger took over, and he “accidentally” killed Rhys, which is when fake Rhys showed up and revealed that Joe was having a semi-psychotic break.
In the end, Joe’s suicide attempt ensured that his hallucinations were forever gone, though he did embrace the darkness he was trying so hard to snuff out, making him more dangerous than ever.
As for the real Rhys Montrose’s killer, he pinned it all on poor Nadia (Amy-Leigh Hickman), a fan of Rhys’s from the beginning, who flew too close to the sun in her attempts to bring down Joe Goldberg. If only she just listened to Marienne’s advice.
A huge congrats to the YOU team for pulling off yet another jaw-dropping twist, and to both Badgley and Speleers for completely immersing themselves in their dual characters.
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Will There Be a 5th Season of ‘YOU’?
As YOU wrapped up its fourth season run on March 9, fans couldn’t help but wonder whether a fifth season was in the works.
And while there hasn’t been an official confirmation that YOU Season 5 is happening, the odds are definitely working in Joe Goldberg’s favor—what else is new?
The fourth season of the Lifetime-turned-Netflix thriller basically hit reset, throwing audiences for a loop with a murder mystery format surrounding Joe’s new life in London as Professor Jonathan Moore.
The action really ramped up in the second half of the season as Joe’s lies and secrets began to unravel and catch up to him, threatening his “European getaway” and any shot at happiness.
It’s actually quite amazing what the writers have been able to accomplish. They’ve managed to keep Joe’s character consistent yet provide several unique seasons that continue to keep audiences in suspense and shock with numerous well-executed twists.
And it definitely seems that there’s much more where that came from in terms of a fifth season. Again, there’s no official word that an additional season was greenlit, YOU Season 4 left the door wide open with possibilities, and Netflix would be a fool to get out now.
Spoilers below—stop reading if you’re not caught up on the most recent season of YOU!!
By the end of season 4, Joe managed to come out on top, eliminating Nadia by forcing her to take the fall for Rhys Montrose and Edward’s deaths. He thought his Marienne problem was taken care of when he carried her lifeless body to a park bench, but little did Joe know, she was actually alive. He fell for the elaborate and insane escape plan that she concocted with Nadia.
And after a failed suicide attempt, Joe managed to silence the voices outside of his head, personified by the hallucination of Rhys, embraced his darkness, and found a kindred spirit—sort of—in Kate, who he believes is the love of his life.
The two promised that they’d keep each other on the straight and narrow, though for Joe, that meant simply accepting his desires to kill as normal. And with Kate’s protections in place, he’ll be able to continue on as Joe doing what Joe does.
And thus, Joe is more powerful and dangerous than ever. It would be a shame if the streamer didn’t let writers, and audiences, explore this new side of Joe—the one that’s completely content with himself and no longer running from the darker parts.
There are so many unanswered questions that would benefit from another season. Can he really be the man Kate wants him to be? Will he be content with Kate and tame his obsessive nature? Can he cover up additional murders? Does having Kate on his side make it easier or will she eventually begin to pry and wonder? What if he can’t control his temper? Will Kate end up in a glass cage just like the rest of them eventually?
Then there’s Marienne, who is a loose thread since she’s alive and well. I don’t think she’d actively risk her safety to take down Joe, but she does owe Nadia, who risked everything and went out of her way to help free Marienne, only to get caught in the crosshairs herself.
There’s a lot of story left to tell when it comes to Joe Goldberg’s new lease on life, and while I’m not exactly sure how much more audiences can stomach or how much more blood needs to be spilled, I think Netflix has a duty to the people to end this series the right way—with Joe finally meeting his match and dying an excruciatingly painful death just like all of his victims.
That didn’t happen on YOU Season 4 as he once again got away with murder, so it just means that YOU Season 5 is almost a guarantee.
We’ll update this article with renewal or cancellation news once it’s announced!
You can check out all of our YOU coverage in the meantime!
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It all comes up Joe Goldberg…. yet again. But are we even surprised at this point?
How is it that men like Joe continue to find ways to get away with murder? And not only did he get away with it—he flourished. Joe is untouchable now, and that kind of power and protection in the hands of a soulless monster is more dangerous than anything we’ve ever seen before.
Joe went through plenty of emotions during YOU Season 4 Episode 10, and honestly, part of me wishes that when he jumped into the water, convinced that the only way to break the cycle is to kill himself, he succeeded. There’s no other way to stop someone like Joe—and that became clear to everyone around him, including himself. The devil on his shoulder, personified by Rhys, kept trying to convince Joe that he wasn’t the problem, but when he found Marienne lifeless in the glass cage because of what he’d done to her, he realized that there was no reality in which he could protect the women he loved. Eventually, a woman’s body was going to end up in his trunk.
It was actually big of Joe to come to the realization considering his constant desire for self-preservation. He was ready to do the one thing that was necessary to make the world a better place… and then he got a second chance. From a writing perspective, it makes sense. If there’s no Joe, there’s no YOU. And while the series has become pretty far-fetched and wholly unbelievable, I’m watching to see how far the creative forces—and Joe—can take this thing. I’m on board till the very end. How many twists can they conjure up that will leave audiences in a state of sheer shock?
Despite Joe’s problematic actions and behaviors, audiences still found themselves continuing to root for the antihero (thanks a lot, Taylor Swift) simply to see how far Joe can actually go.
The Love Quinn twist was undoubtedly the best one, but season 4, though not as enjoyable, did redeem itself in the second half with some unexpected bombshell reveals that made my head spin. We, and Joe, know he’s the problem, but I never imagined that Kate would turn out to be so problematic—she’s an enabler, turning a blind eye to Joe’s crimes because of her need for love and her desire for power.
She made a pact with Joe that they would keep each other on the right path and accountable, but I don’t think she realized she was making a literal deal with the devil. And this coming from the woman who thought her dad was bad. She flat-out said she likes broken and tortured souls, and her willing alliance with Joe proves it.
Joe went from a suicidal murderer to a hero in the eyes of the public in a matter of minutes, and with Kate by his side, they became a power couple. While it’s absolutely cringeworthy, it presents so many opportunities for coming seasons.
For starters, how much does Kate really know? How much did Joe confide in her?
Surely, she can put two and two together and figure out that her father was murdered right before her boyfriend confessed to being a murderer, right? And when he later framed Nadia for Edward’s death, faking the DNA results found on Rhys’ body which linked back to him, did she know she was framing an innocent girl? Or is she just that naive and desperate to believe that this relationship is what she wants it to be?
What’s even viler is that Joe came out to the public claiming to be a victim when he killed so many innocent women because of his obsessive tendencies. And what’s to say he won’t do it the same to Kate eventually? Though honestly, that’s on her at this point.
Following his failed suicide attempt, there was a turning point for Joe. He didn’t kill himself, but he killed Rhys, or rather, embraced himself fully—he’s no longer hiding and running from those dark parts, nor is he actively trying not to murder people.
Since the first season, we learned that Joe has always wanted acceptance—to love and to be loved—and he got that wholeheartedly with and from Kate. He opened up to her, divulged his deepest darkest secrets, and it brought them closer together, thus making him feel as though he wasn’t a bad person for his desire to murder. He fought so hard against them, but unfortunately, the inner battle was for nothing as, in the end, he’s just accepting and coming to terms with the fact that he is a murderer. And as mentioned before, and briefly seen in action, with Kate’s protections in place, it’s going to be a hell of a lot easier to get away with his crimes.
In what’s seemingly a full-circle moment this season, Joe shot up the ranks and became one of the elites that he so passionately despised.
However, that’s not even the most shocking part of the episode.
First off is the fact that Marienne is very much alive as she and Nadia somehow managed to pull one over on Joe. That’s a first… and likely a last.
Marienne was lucky in the sense that Joe cared about her deeply, so when he saw that she overdosed on pills, he was so distraught and immediately assumed the worst. His brain wouldn’t even let him consider another possible as the guilt washed over him.
While he was definitely onto Nadia in the end, I don’t think he ever pieced it together that Nadia helped Marienne devise an insane escape plane. The two of the pulled it off after realizing that if they can’t kill Joe, they have to kill Marienne. When Joe found her unconscious, she swallowed enough beta-blockers to slow her heart rate down and make it look convincing. And then once Joe moved her body to a park bench, Nadia ran up and gave her a dose of what I’m assuming was adrenaline to wake her up.
The moral of the story is that Marienne may be one of the few women to have escaped Joe! Though, I have no idea why she didn’t move far away with her daughter once she was finally free. What if Joe decided to check in on Juliette randomly and saw Marienne, realizing that she is, somehow, alive and well? Why risk it now?
Marienne and Nadia’s bond was so strong, I’m hoping that Marienne returns the favor and attempts to help Nadia in some way now that the poor girl fell victim to Joe, who forced her to take the fall for Edward’s death and Rhys’ demise.
The truth is, Nadia should’ve stopped while she was ahead because, as she said herself, Joe was an obsessive. It’s not entirely clear how he caught onto her—though she was super jumpy around him toward the end—though I’d guess it probably had something to do with the secret camera he placed in his apartment. Or maybe she just misplaced a few items which alerted him to an intruder.
Either way, Nadia’s caring nature got the best of her as she’s now spending life in prison. And there’s nothing she can say to plead her case as no one is going to believe a word she says about Joe, especially after he planted evidence—damning proof—in her apartment and became an international hero.
No matter what, Joe always finds a way to nab a clean slate.
He lives to see another day—but who will be his next victim?
We briefly touched upon what happened to Phoebe, and it turns out Adam’s death may have been the best thing for her as she moved away to teach and lived a fulfilled life. We don’t know what happened to Roald, and I’m kind of disappointed he didn’t play a larger role in the second half of the season considering the hell he created for Joe in the first half.
Did you enjoy YOU Season 4? Did you like the revamped vibe? Are you happy that we’ll see more of Joe’s shenanigans in the future or do you think the series should just end? Do you think we will see Nadia and Marienne again in the future? And are you more or less excited about the future now that he has Kate as a sidekick?
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